Peace Corps To End China Program–Heard on All Things Considered

Thans for the ‘heads up’ from Chris Honode’ (Colombia 1967-69)



Peace Corps To End China Program

January 24, 2020, 4:19 PM ET

Heard on All Things Considered . . . RPCV ROB SCHMITZ

The Peace Corps has decided to ax its China program starting this summer. Critics of the decision call the program one of the diplomatic success stories in the history of China-U.S. relations.

ARI SHAPIRO, HOST: Starting this summer, there will no longer be Peace Corps volunteers working in China. Years ago, NPR’s own Rob Schmitz was a Peace Corps volunteer based in southwest China. He joins us now to explain why the Peace Corps decided to end its China program and what the impact of that might be.

And, Rob, for this conversation, I’m going to ask you to put on a slightly different hat than your typical NPR correspondent. I want you to speak to your personal experience.


Rob Schmitz
China 1996-98

SHAPIRO: Good to have you here.

SCHMITZ: Well, thanks for having me.

SHAPIRO: Well, first, what explanation is being given for this decision?

SCHMITZ: Well, officially, the Peace Corps has not given a detailed reason, and they have not responded to my interview request. But I am speaking to a lot of volunteers, and the ones in China right now are saying that they were told that because China is no longer a developing country, the Peace Corps decided to graduate the program. Whatever the reason, this move came suddenly, and the organization’s own staff in China did not find out until the announcement that Peace Corps made to the media. And there are a lot of unanswered questions about the political background to the decision and what went into it.

SHAPIRO: So the reasons you’re hearing have nothing to do with politics, but people with strong political opinions about China are applauding this move, right?

SCHMITZ: Oh, yeah. Florida Senator Rick Scott, who’s a Republican, hailed this decision, and he said that, quote, “there’s no reason we should prop up our adversaries with U.S. tax dollars,” unquote. I think what’s somewhat problematic about that idea is that Peace Corps volunteers are not involved in helping China’s government with a lot of controversial tasks that China is involved in like facial recognition surveillance. You know, they’re not doing internships at Huawei.

Peace Corps China volunteers are English teachers throughout less developed parts of western China. What I think critics of the program do not understand is that Peace Corps volunteers in China are not propping up an authoritarian government. They’re building relationships and teaching young Chinese about American values. You know, when I was a volunteer, I taught Western civ, U.S. history. And that included concepts like democracy and how it works in the U.S. You know, this is likely one of the most important, unintentional soft power programs the U.S. has in China.

SHAPIRO: I know that since this was announced, you’ve been in touch with people who were volunteers in China when you were in the 1990s. What’s the reaction from them?

SCHMITZ: I think there’s a lot of anger. There is a lot of confusion, and there’s a lot of understanding that this political atmosphere that the U.S. and China is in is having a big impact on this decision and an unfortunate impact on this program because, you know, this is a program that has only produced around 1,300 volunteers. But among those volunteers, you know – we did a survey not too long ago. A third of the people that were surveyed said that after the Peace Corps, they ended up working in jobs that focused on China. This program has produced writers, journalists, U.S. Foreign Service officers, academics, all who have contributed an abundance of expertise to the U.S. understanding of China.

I think that’s precisely because this was a people-to-people program that fostered a lot of lasting relationships between individual Americans and Chinese. And, you know, these days, as we enter into almost a Cold War with China and when our governments are routinely misunderstanding each other and speaking over each other, I think the Peace Corps is needed more than ever in China.

SHAPIRO: Well, tell me about your personal experience. I can imagine teaching English in an underdeveloped part of the country, you are likely the first American many of these students I met.

SCHMITZ: I was. I was sent to a city called Zigong. I was one of three volunteers, and we were sent there. We were the first Americans to live there, the first foreigners to live there since before 1949, before the communists took over China.


SCHMITZ: So every day was an adventure, and I think that the students that we taught probably taught us a lot more than we ever taught them.

SHAPIRO: That’s NPR’s Rob Schmitz, who is now our correspondent in Berlin. Before that, he was our Shanghai correspondent, and before that, a Peace Corps volunteer in China.

Thanks, Rob.

SCHMITZ: Thanks a lot, Ari.

Rob Schmitz (China 1996-98)
International Correspondent, Shanghai

Rob Schmitz is NPR’s international correspondent based in Shanghai, covering the human stories of China’s economic rise and increasing global influence. His reporting on China’s impact beyond its borders has taken him to countries such as Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, and New Zealand. Inside China, he’s interviewed elderly revolutionaries, young rappers, and live-streaming celebrity farmers who make up the diverse tapestry of one of the most fascinating countries on the planet.

Schmitz has won several awards for his reporting on China, including two national Edward R. Murrow Awards and an Education Writers Association Award. His work was also a finalist for the 2012 Investigative Reporters and Editors Award. His reporting in Japan — from the hardest-hit areas near the failing Fukushima nuclear power plant following the earthquake and tsunami — was included in the publication 100 Great Stories, celebrating the centennial of Columbia University’s Journalism School. In 2012, Schmitz exposed the fabrications in Mike Daisey’s account of Apple’s supply chain on This American Life. His report was featured in the show’s “Retraction” episode.

From 2010 to 2016, Schmitz was the China correspondent for Marketplace. He’s also worked as a reporter for NPR Member stations KQED, KPCC, and MPR. Prior to his radio career, Schmitz lived and worked in China — first as a teacher for the Peace Corps in the 1990s, and later as a freelance print and video journalist. He speaks Mandarin and Spanish. He has a master’s degree from Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism.

Schmitz is the author of Street of Eternal Happiness: Big City Dreams Along a Shanghai Road (2016), a profile of individuals who live, work, and dream along a single street that runs through the heart of China’s largest city.


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  • A catastrophic failure this! To end the best, most humanitarian, greatest promoter of international understanding – especially between Chine and us – smacks of enormous ignorance! But, there it is – ignorance versus understanding… nothing else need be said.

  • Wondering what Arnold Zeitlin (Ghana 1961-2) who has traveled the world as a journalist and in recent decade a professor in China at a university. Even at 88 he is up to date and has a lot of journalist friends still in the field.

    • He wrote the first book on the Peace Corps and I recently heard about his and his first wife Marian Frank (also in Ghana with him as a PCV) writing an article for the Saturday Evening Post in the late 60’s I think (I found it here recently) critical (then). And so I think he will have his view on this matter — maybe views and an updated review of what the Peace Corps has done and is doing. Plus his present wife Karen is Chinese and has written a book within the years about being an only (a Chinese family planning policy then) child growing up there. .

  • The Quote from Sen. Rick Scott (R-Florida) indicates a basic misunderstanding of the goals of the Peace Corps. We can only hope that the partisanship implicit in this statement will be viewed by a majority of Americans as part of an unfortunate past, not part of our future. Those who understand how the Peace Corps has contributed to the intellectual wealth of this country over the past 60 years will be ready to insist that U.S.-China relations will only strengthen in a new Biden administration if the Peace Corps is encouraged to resume operations in China.

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